WE THE PEOPLE AND SPECIAL INTERESTS

[Gordon Becker]

The Founding Fathers tried to establish a political system that would not be dominated by the special interests of labor unions or corporations; organizations that did not even exist in colonial times. Lawyers probably constitute the most powerful faction today, making the rules and laws of every business, educational entity, government body, and even social clubs. The even are and choose all the judges in our courts. The values of lawyers dominate and the rights of "we the people" have been lost. The Constitutional Convention offers "we the people" ann opportunity to regain lost rights. For example we could place more weight on selecting judges who are more concerned with justice than playing the courtroom lawyer game. What are your ideas?

[cashpoor]

To the contrary of these recent commments, have a look at what Oklahoma did recently, as Arizona has also mentioned too. They are dropping out of the union until the American constitution is re-instated.

Must read: http://dprogram.wordpress.com/2008/06/18/oklahoma-to-feds-dont-trea...

The same story is all over the internet, but why isn't it being talked about on Faux news, or CNN?

If we here in the beautiful islands we call home were to see all sides of the real predicament, maybe we wouldn't have such childish bickering in this forum. Maybe we could see that this concon, although noble in its nature, is really not going to get us anywhere unless we address some very much larger issues first or through the due process of the concon. I for one will NOT contest anyone who wishes to voice their opinion about a sovereign Hawaii.

And Kaunaloa, you sound just like the speaker of the House Nancy Palousy, when confronted why the current administration should be tried in court for treason after hearing the each impeachable 35 reasons Kucinich brought to the house when she said, "its off the table" . Or maybe you were busy living in a fantasy world.

See where Your arrogant remarks get you in this forum?

Here is a great article too for those in here thinking about voting for McCain.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9341

[Kaunaloa]

1. when trying to make a point, using wnd as a source tends to harm one's creditiability ...

2. regardless, said article itself merely notes the state house passed a resolution that ISN'T EVEN BINDING 'cause it has yet to pass the state senate ...

3. ANNND, it is NOT an instrument of secession as even the article itself admits ...

4. re: comparing me to san fran nan, well, that's kinda funny really [i'm not exactly a fan of hers!] but you actually do me a favor with the analogy -- any talk of secession will yield the same results as ufo-boy's talk of impeachment. W has not committed any impeachable offenses, and the state of Hawai'i is NOT going to cease being the 50th state of this wonderful union, no matter how much you, auhea, or the other couple % of our population "wish" it to be so ...

[Gordon Becker]

CashPoor and Kaunaba and Auhea

Thank you CashPoorfor the Oklahoma article. It is heartening to see a state legislature taking action to stop the federal government from expanding its power beyound that granted in the constitution. We could express a similar concern as part of the document that emerges if we hold a ConCon.

Kaunaba: I think the illegal way Hawaii became part of the United States should be part of the ConCon discussion and that we should consider how the ConCon might correct some of the resulting injustices. As you said, Hawaii is not going to stop being the 50th state , but that doesn't mean that there is nothing we can do about incorporating changes in our state constitution that can ease the wrongs. I would like to see some suggestions along these lines.

Auhea: Thank you for raising these issues ... do you have any specific sugestions for changes in the Hawaii constitution? I know one concern has been the failure to pay rent on some of the land. Maybe something can be done about that???

[dekepalo]

Am I wrong or the old government was the "oligarchy". Is was the founding fathers yes.